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Offline NickD

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Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« on: April 20, 2011, 07:24:53 AM »
Getting a yes and a no on the internet.  All I know at this time, when it cranks, makes a funny noise and won't start.  Really no help in talking to my stepdaughter or her friend.

AAA is bring the car back to my house, guess I will find out then what's wrong with it, really don't know what a funny noise is.  But do know, it won't start.  But don't know if it won't start because it won't crank, or it cranks, but won't fire.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 08:56:46 AM »
Timing belt is definitely broken, good reason for it not to start.  What a day, instead of 60*F weather we are suppose to have, below freezing and snowing like crazy.  Took me awhile to even find the car under all that snow.  If this is an interference engine, car is history, does anyone know for sure?

Right now, so much ice and snow under the car, not safe to even jack it up so I can get my hands on the crankshaft pulley.  Really no clearance between the fender wall and the engine, already did my share of nasty language with this thing.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 10:14:54 AM »
Hey Nick..which model is it in?...is it the Contour?...Jim
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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 01:44:24 PM »
Good grief, I left that off, 1998 Ford Excort ZX2 2.0 L with the double overhead cam.  Hey Jim, can you give the procedure for changing the timing belt?

What a night, wife panicked because her daughter was stranded, offered to drive her, roads are icy, but she said no as I just had oral surgery done.  AAA couldn't find a tow truck either, but daughter did call the cops so her car wouldn't be towed away.  Knew something was major, so was up half then night trying to find another car for her within a 50 radius under 5,000.  Could only find a 2002 Taurus, just got back, pictures looked nice, but this thing also need major work.  Could only give it a fair at most, should retail at $2,300.00, dealer was firm at $3,900.00.  Could see easily adding another couple of thousand to that with free labor.

Did look at some new stuff, rebates are not too hot right now, could let her use my Cavalier, but knowing that university, that car would be a wreck in no time.  Why do I keep on thinking about the old days when I could pick up a beautiful car for less than a hundred bucks and only have to spend a couple of hours on it to make it reliable.  Times have sure changed and for the worse.  Just put 700 bucks in this thing last fall, its worthless now.  New timing belt is 50 bucks.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 10:48:21 PM »
Hey Nick....everything I can find says it is a NON-interference engine.....Here is the procedure....Jim.....Removal

Remove the spark plugs.
Rotate the crankshaft to top dead center (No. 1 cylinder).Install the Crankshaft TDC Timing Peg
Rotate the crankshaft clockwise against the peg.
Raise the vehicle
Remove the bolts and splash shield.
Lower the vehicle.
Remove the water pump pulley.
Remove the valve cover.
Remove the timing belt covers.
Install the Alignment Tool and align the camshafts.
CAUTION: If the camshaft timing belt is to be reused, mark the direction of the camshaft timing belt to rotation of camshaft prior to removal or premature wear or failure may occur.
Relieve the tension on the timing belt tensioner pulley.
Loosen the tensioner pulley bolt
Release tension on the timing belt by disconnecting the tensioner tab from the timing cover back plate.
Slide the timing belt off camshaft sprockets and crankshaft sprockets.
Inspect the timing belt for wear. Replace as required.
See TSB 99-25-4

Installation


Verify the camshaft alignment using the Camshaft Alignment Timing Tool. See: Timing Components\Tools and Equipment See: Engine
Note: To tighten the tensioner pulley bolt, use a Torque Adapter (3/8" drive, 10 mm, 2" offset).
Follow the removal procedure in reverse order.



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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 10:49:30 PM »
Nick...I could only post 3 in the first reply so here are the other 2...Jim

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2011, 11:47:11 PM »
Nick:  Gates belts chart also states that the 98 Escort 2.0 is a NON interference engine.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 04:41:47 AM »
Little calmer this morning after that fiasco with my wife and stepdaughter calming down after stepdaughter was stranded.  And all the snow is melted off the vehicle so I can see it.  Then what to do with it now, a bit shocking that after checking every dealer and the newspapers, could only fine 5 vehicles under $5,000.00 and only a few more for under $10,000.00!  And all of these have well over 100K miles on the clock with many at the 200K level!  Not sure how people can even afford a car today?  When I test drove that 2002 Taurus yesterday, only went a couple of blocks, thought a wheel was going to fall off it shimmied so bad.  Yet the dealer told me it was perfect before driving 80 miles to see it.  Some things never change.

After doing some research, mixing in the SOHC engine with the DOHC, but the ZX2 is strictly the DOHC cam engine, the SOHC engine is an interference engine.  Only three screws pulled off the upper cover, problem is that left side idler plastic pulley is broken, belt is still in one piece.  But where are the timing marks?  See you need a peg and some kind of a camshaft alignment tool.  That is a bit confusing

Guess my first step is to find those alignment tools, won't even question why they consistently have to do everything the hard way.  Thank you for those line drawings, Jim.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 05:39:27 AM »
Looks like that camshaft alignment tool is nothing more than a flat bar that fits into a couple of notches at the end of the camshafts.





Hope that drawing is correct with both opposite lobes pointed inward.  Should have something around here, even using shims so those slots are parallel to the top of the head.  Peg is just a pin, once I get the OD, can spin one out.

34 bucks for this pin:



I like to know my margin of error, cam gears are 5" in diameter with 42 teeth, so would have to be well within +/- 8.5 degrees as not to be a tooth off,  think I can do that.  Maybe.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 12:13:44 PM »
Turning the car around in the garage by pushing it by hand was no easy task, but wanted to so I can see what I am doing.  Got the top of the engine off, and checked all the valves, okay, no signs of interference damage that was a bit of a concern.  Know I am slow, picking up the component kit now, maybe I will get this thing running tomorrow.

Those slots at the rear end of the camshafts are off center, so that flat strap should only fit one way.  That was comforting to see.   But can only be 180* off, shouldn't be too much.  :ROFL  Slot thickness is 0.237", have to do some grinding, could have made it 0.250", have bar stock that thickness.  that's darn close to a 6mm bar, damned metric system.  No wonder why they charge so much for that bar, has to be ground to that thickness.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 02:43:23 PM »
Even on craigslist here in Nj they want crazy prices for a 10 year old car with 200K. No more 50 dollar cars that run!!!

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 10:40:21 PM »
50$ cars that run :ROFL in 2011? :ROFL.

I bought a 75$ 1986 or 88 (can't remember) honda accord back in 2006, that was the last time I ever saw a good cheap car that ran. Sold it for 300$ after body work and 1 full year of driving into the ground. Just wouldn't die, so I sold it.

@NickD, those tensioners are really known for jamming up and causing this. If the tensioner is not jammed and cooked, I would still change it if I were you. I use a screw driver to peg the crank and flat bar is no more than an old chunk of iron I have lying around ground down and painted. Works like a charm and no need to buy those fords special tool.
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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2011, 05:39:02 AM »
Did buy a timing belt component kit with the belt, two idlers, and the tensioner, the top idler was in pieces, with that plastic that let the belt be loose that tore off two teeth off the belt under the crankshaft gear.  But I kept myself blind to other problems in her car.   Did that yesterday with a survey, entire car is a disaster, reason why her AC quit working last summer, a hose was rotted off.  And that is just the beginning, with any argument from her or my wife, decided to dump this car, worse thing around here is unibody rust and the back end of her car is bad, getting to the point where the rear axle can fall off.

I divided what we got in her car by the mileage, works out to a depreciation of 6.4 cents per mile, that is dirt cheap in these times.  Recall a few years back I was at my Buick dealers with four three year Park Avenues with each with only 30K miles on them and retail prices of $12,000.00.  I know for a fact he only gave around 6,000 bucks trade in on these cars, and the Park Avenues had a stricter price of $40,000.  Meaning the previous owners paid $34,000 for 30,000 miles or $1.13 per mile, would almost be cheaper if they took a cab.

Between 1980 and 1990, my ex father-in-law would call me down to deal for a new car every two years, always told him to take it easy on his cars, was a rough driver always in a hurry to go no where.  I am good at dealing.  Over that ten year period, added up was he paid in trade up value and quickly learned he paid more of those cars than his house!

So where did they come up with a vehicle is your second most important investment?  A safer investment would be in gold mine in Wisconsin!

Last year her car was in pretty good shape, she took it to a shop to get it into first class condition with a $2,770 quote, I did everything on that quote in less than a day for $700 and that was with a non-working right hand.  Swear the sheet metal in these cars are timed to change back into its natural form, her car really went to hell this last year.  Time to get rid of it.  Her town does have public transportation, she agreed to use that until we can find something decent.  My GM card girl tells me some big rebates are coming next month, see what happens.  We can buy a new car for us and give her our Cavalier.

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2011, 06:39:28 AM »
Spent most of yesterday stripping out this car, put in a $500.00 stereo system for her 16th birthday, but not sure what I am going to do with it.  Speakers, bezels, and receiver are all peculiar to her vehicle.  Maybe I can sell that on ebay for ten bucks if lucky.  Is very saddening with cars, certainly a lot of good stuff left in there, but all worthless, road salt is the major culprit, unbelievable how that car went to hell this last year.  Cars are suppose to have a 14 year life, guess 13 years is close.  But all in all, a pile of crap, in particular with corrosion resistance, practically all lines, if the unibody could be repaired is a pile of rust.

Saw two ads in the Buyers Guide from wreckers willing to come to my home, not only to pick up the car, but also to pay up to 300 bucks for it.  Will call them Monday.  Last time, about seven years ago, delivered my 86 Honda Civic, they wanted to charge me for taking it, but worked around that.  They got it for free in running condition.  Another case where I couldn't even jack it up as the unibody was rusted to crap.

Spoke to all of my neighbors on this dumping of heavy salt on six inches of fresh snow, they likewise vehemently object.  So why aren't we doing anything about this?

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Re: Is a 1998 Ford DOHC 2.0L an interference engine?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 07:10:16 PM »
@last comment, AGREED!!
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